Sugar Bear to June Shannon: “You Are a Dumb B-tch!”

There will be no more Mr. Nice Guy for Sugar Bear on this week's episode of Mama June: From Not to Hot.

Instead, there will be at least one instance of Mr. I-Can't-Believe-You're-Doing-This-And-You-Totally-Suck-For-It Guy.

In the following clip from this surprise WEtv hit, Sugar Bear tries to call his ex-wife because he says it's his day to at least talk to daughter Alana.

But June is nowhere to be found. The Bear simply gets her voicemail.

Angry that he's getting the run-around on a previously-agreed-upon arrangement, Sugar goes off on Shannon, screaming about how unfair it is for her to keep his child from her father.

“I hate it when you act like a stupid type of women that you are,” yells Sugar Bear, adding:

“I don’t know what the hell you are trying to pull – I knew I couldn’t trust you to keep up your end of the deal, and I know you have a man living in that house!”

Indeed, she actually, somehow does.

Shannon isn't just dating some dude named Geno Doak, but she may very well be living with him, meaning Geno gets to spend a lot more time with Alana than Sugar Bear does.

This fact did not sit well with Sugar Bear's wife on last week's installment of this scripted reality show…

… and it won't sit well with Sugar himself this Friday night, either.

“You’re not gonna get away with this… this is the last time you’re gonna f-ckin’ mess with me! You’re a dumb bitch, June," Sugar Bear says in the clip featured here, concluding loudly:

F-ck you!

We also get glimpses in this video of the family's cat and dog.

Later on, speaking directly to the camera, Sugar says the following:

"I knew June was going to try and keep me away from Alana … she’s trying to sabotage our relationship – it ain’t gonna fly with me, it ain’t gonna happen!”

Mama June and Sugar Bear broke up in 2016 after they failed to salvage their romance on a season of Marriage Boot Camp.

Since then, Shannon has scarcely allowed Sugar Bear see his daughter, alleging her daughter’s suffered “emotional abuse” as a result of her dad and adding that the two can't have a relationship until he “gets help."

Watch this explosive clip below:

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Mrs. Sugar Bear to Mama June: Prepare for Hell!

What goes around is about to come around for June Shannon.

On last week's episode of Mama June: From Not to Hot, the WEtv star talked major trash about the dude who knocked up her daughter.

Shannon is most certainly not above saying mean things about other people.

And this appears to be a quality that her ex-husband finds attractive, considering he's moved on to a woman who isn't afraid to spew some venom, either.

Just consider the following sneak peek.

It features Sugar Bear's latest lover, a woman named Jessica, paying a visit to June's sister-in-law, Janice.

Janice is very clearly NOT a fan of her semi-famous relative.

The conversation quickly turns to how Shannon is dating a guy named Gino and that Gino has moved in to Shannon's home…meaning he sees her kids nearly everyday.

Including, of course, Alana "Honey Boo Boo" Thompson.

This doesn't sit too well with Jessica because her very own husband isn't allowed to see his daughter these days.

"So you're telling me she moved this man Gino in and June won't even let Alana come 5 foot in front of Mike – her real daddy" Jennifer says to Janice, who responds:

"Sad, ain't it."

We guess.

Almost everything about this family makes us sad, really.

"June has some nerve telling Mike that he can't see Alana when she's got a strange man living in her house," Jennifer says, adding:

"So surprise, surprise, June is just a big old hyprocrite."

Not true!

She isn't that big anymore! That's the entire point of this show!

Jessica wants to make June pay, but not before gathering all the information she can on the situation.

So she hatches a plan with Janice in the video below.

"Let's go bring a little hell down on June," she says ominously.


Click play for more:

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June Shannon Talks All the Trash About Daughter’s Baby Daddy

June Shannon, role model?

Yes, according to June Shannon, that is.

In the following clip from this week's new episode of the WEtv reality series From Not to Hot, Shannon lays into her daughter's fiance and baby daddy, some dude named Josh Efird.

The 38-year old is simply stunned and aghast that little Lauryn "Pumpkin" Shannon has gotten herself knocked up at the age of 17 and is actually going to stay with this Josh fella.

"Josh gets on my ever-loving last God damn nerve,” June vents in the clip below to her boyfriend, Geno, adding of her future son-in-law:

“I told him he needs to get a better job if he’s going to support my grandchild. Every time he thinks that I let my guard down, I’ll be right behind him saying, ‘Boom motherf-cker."

But, wait, didn't June also have a child at the age of 17?

TWO children, in fact?

Yes, but she held down three jobs at the time and was responsible, she tells Geno.

"Pumpkin doesn't understand bills. Like, she's always coming [to me saying], ‘Hey, I need $ 100. Hey, I need gas.'" June explains here.

"But if Josh thinks I'm always going to be him and Pumpkin's safety net, they got another damn thing coming."

Geno (who, it bears repeating, is dating June Shannon on purpose) does his best to comfort his previously overweight lover.

But June is on an angry roll in this video.

"Pumpkin knows ain't none of my babies' daddies stuck around. But I don't want the same thing to happen to her…

"Pumpkin, I'm always going to be there for her, but Josh, he needs to shape up or ship out."

Lauryn, meanwhile, gave birth in December.

She is now the mother to a little girl named Ella Grace.

But when June first learned her teenager was expecting, she WENT OFF on the guy whose sperm made this possible.

"Pumpkin is f-cking pregnant. This not what I envisioned for her – at 17 to be f-cking having a baby," she yelled at Josh on an earlier episode, adding:

"I mean, what plans do you have? I mean, do you have any idea how much it takes to raise a baby? Coming home, working nine to five, eating f-cking ramen noodles and macaroni and cheese for the next 18 years.

"Are you ready for that? Ding dong!"

Watch June's latest slamming of Josh below:

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Sugar Bear: Angry Yet Horny After Mediation with June Shannon

Mike "Sugar Bear" Thompson might not be the star of From Not to Hot, but he's sure getting some screen time. 

OBut on tonight's episode, his last mediation with Mama June left him so angry that his new wife encouraged him to calm down.

He had his own idea for how to blow off steam … and it involves his wife, Jennifer, and their shared bedroom. That's right, folks. Sugar Bear wants to bang out his frustrations.

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From Not to Hot is about more than just June Shannon's insane weight loss and total makeover.

It's about her life and her family's life. And that includes her ex-husband, Sugar Bear.

In tonight's episode, he is fuming about his latest interaction with the From Not to Hot star.

"In mediation, I knew June was trying to push my buttons," he tells the confessional.

Nobody can push your buttons like family, folks. Especially an ex.

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"And one of these days," he says. "I'm afraid I might just blow up again."

June Shannon accuses him of domestic violence, so that's … not a reassuring thing to hear.

The on-camere conversation between Sugar Bear and his wife, Jennifer Lamb, begins on a much more playful subject.

Sugar Bear wants to go to bed, and he does not wish to sleep.

Jennifer quickly understand what has him all riled up.

"You're just frustrated because of what happened at mediation."

And she knows how he processes that.

"More than anything, you just take it out in the bedroom and then you sleep."

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Jennifer cautions him against letting his anger get the best of him.

"If you let this anger out in front of people, like lawyers and judges, that's what June wants."

Really, he should be processing his anger in a healthy way, regardless.

"When they see that, there is no way Mike they will let you see your daughter by yourself."

And really, should any child's safety be risked around someone with anger management issues? The answer is, categorically, no.

"You got to be the calm, Mike, and not the blowed up Incredible Hulk person."

That is a truly incredible line. Imagine Chris Hemsworth delivering that line to Mark Ruffalo in Thor: Ragnarok instead of parodying the ridiculous "sun's going down" line from Age of Ultron.

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Of course, in this same episode, Jennifer White confesses that she has some reservations about Sugar Bear seeing Alana in the first place.

"I can't help thinking that Alana might not be Mike's."

A DNA test was brought up when Sugar Bear complained that June Shannon was keeping his daughter from him. But Jennifer's right — it could backfire.

"I know I would love Mike's child just like I love mine, but that lawyer said something that keeps sticking in my mind."

She has some definite opinions on how to respond to the test.

"If it turns out that Alana's not his, June Shannon would be out of my life forever. I sure in the hell ain't paying child support for a kid that’s not Mike's."

And Jennifer believes that she has good reason to doubt Alana's paternity.

"When he was with June, he was working a lot of nights. I wanna do a DNA test."

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And you can see that clip below.

In the end, though, Jennifer suggests a "healthy" stress-relief technique: throwing cinderblocks at photos of June Shannon

(We don't know how common it is for someone to have cinder blocks on hand, but apparently Mike's issue is that he doesn't have any photos of his ex)

We're not necessarily saying that it's the healthiest way to process things, but … it's better than actual violence against a person.


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Mama June Goes OFF on Pumpkin’s Baby Daddy: Watch!

Don't you just love a good Mama June meltdown?!

There's something so magical about Honey Boo Boo and her whole entire family, but watching June just rip somebody apart is just next level amazing.

This time around, she's giving Sugar Bear and his new wife a break, and instead she's giving some real talk to Lauryn "Pumpkin" Shannon's boyfriend, Josh Efird.

See, what we have here is a sneak peek for this week's episode of Mama June: From Not to Hot.

In the clip, June is feeling some feelings after learning that Pumpkin is pregnant, and she decides to talk through those feelings with Josh.

He comes over to the Shannon home to talk to her, and he's greeted with "Oh, Joshie poo."

(He's also greeted by June's truly bizarre makeup — we can only hope we'll hear the story behind this in the episode, because there's no way this can just be her everyday look.)

"What happened to you and Pumpkin?" she asks him — and it becomes clear that Josh didn't know June knew about the pregnancy.

"What the hell, Pumpkin?" he asks his girlfriend later in a confessional. "You could've warned me. She was sitting there waiting like a cobra, ready to strike."

Pumpkin comforts him by assuring him that her mother "don't bite … that much."

Back in the big showdown, June goes off, saying "Pumpkin is f-cking pregnant, that's not what I envisioned for her at 17 to be f-cking having a baby."

"What plans do you have?" she asks him. "I mean, do you have any idea how much it takes to raise a baby? Coming home, working 9 to 5, eating f-cking ramen noodles and mac and cheese for the next 18 years."

"Are you ready for that? DING DONG!"

Josh starts laughing, which is fair, but she doesn't appreciate it because "this ain't a f-cking laughing matter."

She's so furious that subtitles had to be added in when she told him "It's damn coming even faster than you can damn see."

Josh explains later in the confessional that he laughed because even though he was trying to be respectful, June just looked too ridiculous.

Again, fair.

In her own confessional, June reminded us that she had her first child, her daughter Anna, when she was just 15 years old, so she knows firsthand how hard it is to be a teen parent, specifically a single teen parent.

And that's why, back with Josh, she tells him that he can either "step up and be a man" or "get the f-ck out now."

Which seems a little harsh, because he never indicated that he wasn't interested in stepping up?

Watch June in action in the video below:

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Sugar Bear: June Shannon is Keeping My Daughter From Me!

June Shannon's From Not to Hot is including her ex, Mike "Sugar Bear" Thompson. You might say that she's sharing the wealth.

As you'll see in the clip below, though Sugar Bear is eager to see his daughter Alana again, one obstacle is giving him pause. Well, giving his new wife pause:

Child support. Every deadbeat dad's nightmare.

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For years, things were going reasonably well for Mama June Shannon and Sugar Bear.

Even when the couple split, they still had Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.

And then Mama June ended up in bed with convicted child-molester who had once preyed upon her own daughter. The show got canceled, and the good times and easy money came to an end.

Astoundingly, Mama June was able to make a comeback with her own makeover series, From Not To Hot. She recently flaunted her insane weight loss at a premiere.

And, since Sugar Bear's such an important part of her past and her story, he's along for the ride.

Yes, including in season 2.

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In the clip that you'll see below, Sugar Bear and his new wife, Jennifer Lamb, are meeting with an attorney.


Because Sugar Bear wants to see his daughter, Alana "Honey Boo Boo" Thompson.

Sugar Bear alleges that June has been keeping Alana from him. He claims to have not seen his daughter for six months — since he got married to Jennifer.

We're not sure if we're meant to infer that June is angry that he remarried; that would be silly, since June Shannon has her own boyfriend now.

A more likely explanation would be that June Shannon accuses Sugar Bear of domestic violence, of having abused her and her daughters in the past. That's very, very serious.

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Here's the thing: Sugar Bear isn't legally recognized as Alana's dad. So, he would need to fight to even be acknowledged as her father before he could get visitation.

And the attorney mentions to him — and his wife — that there's a price to be paid.

A literal price, folks. Child support payments are a real responsibility.

And apparently, Sugar Bear has never in his life paid them before now.

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Here is where Sugar Bear reminds viewers that he better resembles an offensively stereotypical cartoon character than a real person.

Sugar Bear describes how he "plans" to pay child support:

"I'm not worried about it right now. I'll figure it out when that time gets here."

That's barely even an okay way to decide what to eat for dinner with friends. Winging it with financial planning is a recipe for catastrophe.

And it's not exactly reassuring coming from a guy who wants to spend more time with his daughter.

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You know who isn't loving this? Jennifer Lamb.

She says that she's totally on board with Sugar Bear spending more time with Alana. She says that she'd make a good stepmom.

But she doesn't love the idea of yet another expense.

"We can't even finish saving up for our honeymoon, so how are we going to pay child support?"

The realization that this couple got married six months ago and still haven't gone on their honeymoon is … sad.

She does her best to sound adamant, insisting: "We're not dipping into our honeymoon fund."

See the exchange:

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June Shannon to Daughters: This is My Boyfriend!

The disturbing rumors were turned into a frightening reality on the season 2 premiere of From Not to Hot:

June Shannon has a boyfriend.

As previously confirmed, his name is Geno Doak… he’s 42 years old… and he has unusual taste in women.

The television world was introduced to June’s lover on Friday night when she and her kids returned for the second go-around of their surprisingly popular series.

After growing suspicious of their mother and suspecting that her extreme weight loss had caused some dude to fall for her, children Lauren and Alana followed her to bingo one evening.

What they witnessed there was then burned into their eye sockets forever.

And ours as well.

“She’s kissing him!” Honey Boo Boo said as the couple exited a building and shared a smooch an hour after they had walked in.

“What kind of guy takes mama on a date to bingo?”

When June arrived home after her night out, she faced an interrogation session from her two daughters.

“Yes, I have found love y’all. I have a great wonderful guy, Geno, and I feel like a kid again,” explained Mama June, who dropped an incredible 300 pounds over the last year or so.

She is now a Size 4, which is a sentence we never thought we’d write.

“Geno knew me when I was heavy and I really think he’s here for the right reasons,” she continued, speaking to the camera and adding:

“I think he likes me for me, not for [fame] or me being skinny.”

That’s wonderful.

We’re not here to judge (too much) or anything.

It really is amazing how many pounds Shannon has shed.

Yes, she did it through a controversial medical procedure, but one must also diet and exercise properly to keep this weight off.

At one point on the premiere, June said sneaking around with Geno was “hot… like foreplay,” yet she also said her main goal wasn’t to be all secretive.

She’d prefer to be open with her kids.

“Geno’s the first guy that I’ve dated really serious since I’ve lost the weight, and I’m trying to keep this one to myself to see how it’s going to work out,” she said.

“I hope this one works out, but honestly, I’ve had some terrible luck with guys and I’ve got really burnt. So, it’s really hard for me to fully trust him right now.”

That’s an understatement.

Ex-husband Matt “Sugar Bear” Thompson has been accused of assaulting Shannon, while an ex-boyfriend was actually convicted of molesting her oldest daughter.

YIKES, right?

Following a pottery class they took together, Geno and June agreed that it was time for the former to actually meet Shannon’s family.

“This is Geno, we’ve been dating for a couple months,” Mama June said, as Alana shook his hand and asked:

“What’s your intentions with my mama?”

Later on, Alana admitted to her mother that she feared the new romance would mean far less time spent together for mother and child.

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“I mean, he’s a cool guy or whatever,” she said, before turning to her mom and inquiring:

Does that mean me and you ain’t going to hang out no more ’cause you have a boyfriend? You haven’t been around a lot.”

Replied Shannon:

“I mean, now that y’all are getting older, it’s time for me to find somebody that I can be happy with. I’ve been single for so long and been devoted to y’all.”

We’ll see if this relationship lasts, however.

The season 2 finale may need a cliffhanger. Will it be a break-up or a proposal?


Mama June Shannon: Secret Boyfriend’s Identity Revealed!

You know how the world recently learned that June Shannon has a secret boyfriend who taught her how to love again?

Mama June gushes about him and the two kiss on the From Not to Hot season 2 trailer, but his actual identity has been kept pretty hush-hush.

But now we know his name … and a lot more about him.

While it’s great that June’s new size 4 figure is helping her find happiness, for a lot of viewers, the news that June Shannon was dating again brought up … mixed feelings.

After all, June was infamously seen cozying up to Mark McDaniel … a convicted sex offender whom June’s own daughter, Anna Cardwell, accuses of molesting her.

The only good reason anyone can think of for a mother to spend time with the man who molested her then-8-year-old daughter while her then-three-year-old daughter (Lauryn) was also on the bed is if she had been planning to murder him.

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo was canceled over that scandal. It was years before the final episodes were aired and before June Shannon made her (real) reality television comeback with From Not to Hot.

Thankfully, Mama June does not appear to be repeating such an unimaginable mistake.

RadarOnline reports that Mama June’s new boyfriend is Geno Doak, a 42-year-old carpenter. 

June had previously stated, without naming her beau, that the two had met through mutual friends.

Apparently, that also involved her hiring him to fix up her home in Hampton, Georgia.

Geno Doak is also a single parent, as he has one son and two daughters.

What’s more — these two have dated before. Way back in 2015, in fact.

As we previously reported, Mama June hasn’t been able to resist gushing about her then-mystery boyfriend.

“He is very, very awesome,” she told E!

Well, she definitely sounds enthusiastic about the guy.

“He actually restored my faith and the girls’ faith in men.”

That’s pretty profound. Before you question why a girl as young as Alana might need her faith in men restored, remember that she has eyes and has also probably noticed her mother’s relationships over the years.

June also talks about what makes her love Geno.

“It’s the little things…he is above and beyond anything that I could ever expect.”

She talks about how this happy romance got started.

“We honestly were just wanting to be friends and things just worked out.”

A lot of relationships begin that way.

RadarOnline confirms that Geno Doak will appear on the second season of From Not to Hot, by the way.

We’d figured as much.

But we already knew that June’s ex, Sugar Bear, and his new wife would be appearing on the new season, too.

And apparently June does not give one flying flip what he thinks about her new relationship.

“As long as I’m happy and the girls are happy at the end of the day, that’s all that matters to me.”

It sounds like she has her priorities in order.



Mama June Shannon Flaunts Her Size 4 Body!

Some people lose weight for themselves, Some people lose weight for their health.

But, really, what’s the point of losing a massive amount of weight if you don’t trot yourself out to show it off?

That’s exactly what Mama June Shannon is doing at the Growing Up Hip Hop: Atlanta premiere. And she even brought her daughters with her.

June Shannon’s weight loss journey has taken her so far!

Surgeries to limit how much food she can eat, another surgery to remove nine pounds of excess skin …

(Dramatic weight loss like hers can leave a lot of rolls of leftover skin; yet another sick joke that the human body plays)

… combined with diet and exercise gave her a stunning physical transformation.

In fact, her transformation is so complete that, in her show’s new season, June is going to be a beauty queen!

Of course, Mama June has more reasons to smile than just her total body transformation.

There is, as we’ve recently seen, a new man in her life.

We don’t know much about him yet, but June Shannon’s secret lover taught her how to love again, apparently.

In the teaser for her show’s new season, we found out very little other than that he exists.

Oh, and that June is apparently a terrible liar, because she kissed the guy and then tries to tell her daughters that they haven’t kissed yet.

Like … her kids had already seen it. Their house has windows.

So, Mama June Shannon strutted her stuff in a form-fitting blue dress at the premiere for Growing Up Hip Hop: Atlanta. It’s pretty standard for reality stars to promote their “sister shows.” It’s good for the network.

But premieres aren’t just a time to mingle with other whatever-list celebrities, folks.

They’re a time to get photographed. They’re a time to build your brand and remind everyone else that you exist and, oh by the way, you have a show, too.

Mama June didn’t come alone, either.

She may have left her mystery man at home (well, not at home — you get the idea).

But she brought her family, including the daughter who made her whole family famous in the first place.

Alana “Honey Boo Boo” Thompson is growing up so quickly!

Kids will do that.

Her lustrous red outfit wasn’t quite her mother’s dress, but that’s okay. Not everybody dresses up; this was not the Golden Globes.

And honestly, we’re glad that neither of them were wearing black, because between June’s cobalt dress and Alana’s burgundy, we were living for their bold color choices.

Honey Boo Boo wasn’t June’s only daughter there, however.

From left to right, you’re looking at June Shannon, Alana Thompson, Lauryn “Pumpkin” Shannon, Lauryn’s one-month old daughter, Ella, and Joshua Brandon Efird.

On the first season of From Not to Hot, Mama June lost 300 pounds, which is how she now fits into a Size 4 dress.

She can’t exactly lose another 300 pounds, which is why the second season is going to focus on her new life. On her continued dieting and exercise, on her romantic life.

And, again, on her journey to become a beauty queen. It’s going to be wild.

We can’t wait.


Mama June Shannon: My New Boyfriend Taught Me How to Love Again!

Mama June Shannon is coming back with a second season of Mama June: From Not to Hot!

This time, she’s taking a stab at becoming a beauty queen. Yes, the erstwhile pageant mom is going to become a pageant contestant, putting to the test her new figure.

And she’s also seeing a mystery man. And though we have to wait to see him on the show, June can’t help but gush about him.

In the first season of Mama June: From Not to Hot, we saw a lot more than June Shannon’s weight loss struggle and powerful transformation.

Obviously, that was the primary, ongoing storyline — but this is reality television, folks. Not a medical documentary.

It followed June’s personal life and her “private” drama.

Including her ex’s engagement and marriage, which visibly rocked her to her core.

But now, it looks like it’s Mama June’s turn at finding new romance.

Mama June Shannon returns for a second season, and in one part of the big teaser, we see her daughters watching as she kisses an unidentified mystery man.

Apparently, June tries to avoid kissing and telling, but her daughters aren’t fooled.

Pumpkin says:

“I don’t know why mama is trying to say, ‘oh, I didn’t kiss him, I didn’t kiss him.’ We’ve seen it with our own two eyes.”

But … who is he?

Though Mama June’s taste in men in the past was so bad that Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo was literally canceled when she started dating a sex offender, June tells People that this guy’s the real deal.

“It’s hard to be able to trust somebody, and it was a lot of walls that he had to break down with me and the girls, honestly …..”

Well, given her romantic history, that makes sense.

“He’s my rock and my best friend. We’re together 24 hours a day.”

In case the 24/7 togetherness makes you worry, June clarifies that this isn’t something super clingy.

“I mean it’s kind of weird that we don’t really have to do anything. We can just chill at the house, or chill with the kids, or just go to the store.”

That’s a sign of a healthy relationship — platonic or romantic.

“I’ve never been able to enjoy somebody as much as I have him.”

That sounds wonderful … but also sad.

Alana “Honey Boo Boo” Thompson tells Life & Style that she’s delighted for her mother’s new relationship.

“I feel very happy because I’ve never seen her smile this much, I swear — ever in her life. She’s always grinning. Always grinning. She always says it’s the little things that matter and he does the little things.”

That’s great but, again … imagine never having seen your mother truly be happy before. That’s heartbreaking.

Mama June discusses the idea of marrying this man.

“For the first time in my life, I would say the [m-word] and Mama June in the same sentence — but a piece of paper isn’t going to change my love for him and it wouldn’t, ever.”

“Nowadays, you don’t have to get married to show that you love somebody,” June continues. “A piece of paper doesn’t show that.”

Of course, when asked if they would televise the wedding, Alana exclaims:

“You know you would!”

Honestly, we don’t know if June is commitment-shy or just leery of giving this mystery man access to her finances.

She is, after all, a millionaire. But then, prenups exist. So maybe she has her own reasons and shouldn’t be rushed, folks.

“Nowadays, you don’t have to get married to show that you love somebody. A piece of paper doesn’t show that.”